true but there are Nikon reps, people and YouTube channels out there which claimed that the AF performance is the same... that's where the issue is... it has created a perception that it's the same performance. What follows are the headiest products of 2020, the ones photographers really want. Nikon D850 and Nikon D5 have almost the same sensor size so none of them has any significant advantage over other in providing control over depth of field when used with same focal length and aperture. "Maybe try to teach your mind and even perhaps with the help of some therapy to finally understand that the $4000 model will NEVER EVER be the equal of the $10000 top of the line flagship model from Nikon.The proof is in the pudding :-)". The D850 is a less costly product that enhances photo/video capabilities of the D3s - D5 thereby making purchase of latter less attractive. I'm looking to upgrade from my D300s. ". Dslr makers are more prone to intentional gimping than mirrorless makers, cause their market position is better. Crikey, mate, how can bonzer from a 20 MP cam'ra be compared with a docket of a 46 MF cam'ra runin' in full chocka, and not incorporate lack of dinky-di skills and full gutsa to bail out a whole new level of a ripp'a? The 24mm F3.5, 35mm F2 and 65mm F2 DG DN share similar designs and have weather-sealed metal bodies. As we continue to test Nikon's update of its multimedia full-framer, we've added more of our findings so far on image quality, dynamic range and video quality. Actually, the "prosumer" model has better performance than the flagship in some ways. In fact, the D850 is right on par with the autofocus performance of its big brother, the Nikon D5. SO, assuming the mirror blackout time is in fact longer on the D850 than the D5, we probably have the explanation. Here are some of the most popular Nikon F Mount Lenses on Camera Decision: You may have already made your decision about which camera suits better for your needs and your budget so far but in case you wonder how we rated Nikon D850 and Nikon D5, below you can find their scores in five different aspects. DSLRs are worse than mirrorless! I disagree in general. Dario's desk (because I don't have one) by adriparro. Both are great cameras for different things. And no one can dispute that. The new Laowa 15mm F4.5 Shift lens lets you go wide with perspective control. The 65mm T2 completes Vazen's set of anamorphic lenses for the Micro Four Thirds system. If you're going to compare cameras from test data, then you understand how to compare them on an equal basis. There is no D850 stock and I can't test it. When it comes to AF with Nikon cameras, I will ONLY LISTEN to Steve Perry. Nikon D850. None of these bodies have sensor based image stabilization so you have to buy lenses with Optical stabilization feature. Now, three months later, the company has confirmed in a statement that the personal information of past and current employees was taken from its servers. He seems to be the only mainstream camera reviewer on YouTube who feels the need to feature women in bikinis. Did you see the video? Only DPR gearheads think every pro sports photographer needs the latest and greatest and that simply isn't true. Combining a 37MP full-frame sensor, minimalist controls and Lightroom Mobile built in, it's a refreshing – if a bit quirky – take on the smartphone-meets-camera concept. @tbcass LOL but...NASA just bought 53 Nikon D5 bodies :-D Last time I checked 65% used Canon because the lenses are better :-D. I don't give a hoot what NASA uses, they aren't relevant to the conversation. It's available in Canon EF, Fuji X, Leica M, M42, MFT, Nikon F, Pentax K and Sony E mounts and the first units are expected to ship in January 2021. If Nikon says both cameras have same AF and should have same performance .. then that should be regardless of the price. Its body is 14mm narrower, 35mm shorter and 13mm thinner than Nikon D5. Personally my D500 has been the most accurate camera I have owned to date, easily 75% keepers...maybe I just got a good one? Nikon-D-shooter, not all of us judge a camera by the price tag. With a 1.8x squeeze, the lens produces a more pronounced anamorphic effect than the 1.33x lenses offered by Sirui, albeit at a much higher cost. Nikon D850 vs Nikon D5: Physical Specs and Body features Comparison Size and weight is a big decision factor when you are trying to find the ideal camera for your needs. For action photography you don't mount the camera on a tripod and walk away. "The D850 uses the same field-proven ultra-accurate AF system as the flagship D5." never say never. No one is saying it will have the AF performance the same as the D5. Sarah, I see it more as DPReview seeing this and thinking, "Hm, this could be a thing. There is a comparison here with the D500 at 10 Fps the D5 has 42% mirror blackout compared to 61 percent for the D500 so it's almost 50% more time. Even if AF picks the wrong thing to focus on 1 out of 50 shots, I find that a lot more than 2% annoying.... Manual focus seems by far the most natural way to specify what I want in focus. Photokina has announced via a press release that after 70 years of shows in Cologne, Germany, it will be indefinitely suspended due to 'decreases in the imaging market’ that have ‘force[d] a hard cut.’. I like Matt Granger's reviews and respect his opinions, but I would like to see a comparison done by a seasoned sports photographer (which Matt is not) using a variety of AF tracking modes. The d850 is twice the resolution of the D5. All of these lenses cover Full frame sensor. Vote Up 0 Vote Down Reply. How can anyone expect two cameras with such different sensors to have IDENTICAL performance on focus tracking. So if it's all right with you, we won't mention the very high read noise of the flagship, and we can just stick to discussing focusing and the review. Since both Nikon D850 and Nikon D5 have the same Nikon F lens mount and Full frame sized sensors, lenses will not be a differentiator on total size of the system. Is this a 'so what'?? I'm basing my assessment on the review here where the D850 hit rate is significantly worse than the D5. AF is not only one single metric. Like EVER? I was thinking of trading the D500 for D850 thinking that it'll have the D5 capability plus other D850 benefits. Everything is different on these bodies....the D5 have a completely different "motherboard" as well. The D850 ⦠Why is that? Portrait (Color Depth) 26.4 bits. It's bound to get confused when there are too many things to pick from. Nikon D850 has external dimensions of 146 x 124 x 79 mm (5.75 x 4.88 x 3.11″) and weighs 1015 g (2.24 lb / 35.80 oz) (including batteries). You obviously think more logically than Matt. Normal sports shooting is not that jittery as the more extreme tests by that YouTube blogger. Does Nikon claim the D850 AF is just as good as the D5? Why test the one AF no one would use? 10 months ago. The Sigma 65mm F2 DG DN is for the photographer who wants a focal length that falls squarely between 50mm and 85mm. ISO-1600. Why? Both are DSLR (Digital Single Lens Reflex) cameras that are equipped with a full frame sensor. at 3:15 he says " I like your hat" then walks away and says, " not really". @ Vignes I agree...however a fanboy will go on until the bitter end...reassuring himself that his cheaper prosumer body will have the same performance as a flagship model. The emphasis is on "really tack sharp", not just satisfyingly sharp or just sharp. In short, the Nikon D5 (B&H / Amazon), shines in terms of the look of the high-ISO noise in the images â the grain is even, and not as distinct as in any of the equivalent ISO settings of the other cameras. Canon lenses? Both the D810 and the D850 gets crushed by the D5 at high ISO. The D5 has less than half the pixels per frame, so autofocus in theory should be much better. After all, the D850 and D5 purportedly have the exact same autofocus hardwareâperformance should be virtually identical. Childish. Do you hear yourself? I see. Of the two cameras that we are comparing, D850 has scored 100, 12 points higher than D5. My official response from Nikon Middle East: "The D5, D500, and the D850 all include an additional, separate AF processor dedicated for the Autofocus function. We're glad you asked. Also, it's hardly fair to the D850 - it starts having to track with the face in shade with poor contrast. I just think his videos are sleazy. I'm no expert here on the subject, but it seems to me that even if the AF module is identical, virtually everything else about the cameras is different. Watching the focus spots, I'm not so sure he's reporting the results accurately. Claff has already tested the D850. A camera with a larger sensor is good for taking pictures under a low light condition. this comment is insulting peoples intelligence. In fact, looking at earlier comments, some people have noted that the D850 has a longer mirror blackout time. Nikon-D-shooter"photojournalists, professional sport photographers and others who are working fast in low-light action venues.". These are just my opinions based on what I see and know. It's gotten to the point where the improvements are marginal, so much so that the skill of the photographer matters more. The D5 has bigger pixels and longer battery life for video. Bottom line: Nikon isn't going to risk angering the pros who bought their $6500 flagship D5 camera by releasing one a year later with twice the MP at half the price that is just as good. Landscape (Dynamic Range) 14.8 Evs. I already told you. Nikon D850: ISO 64. Equipped with battery pack and EL 4a battery it is still a great tool. Add MB-D18 with EN-EL18 to D850. What good are lenses if the high ISO is worse than the D5 which you seem to believe is so important. Day and night! Photographer and YouTuber Todd Dominey has shared a video that details the history of Kodak Aerochrome film, a film stock he says has 'an origin story unlike any other.'. There is also one self made expert who said the same about D850 against D5 in his channel.Take me, i have a D500. ... :-D, Matt used to be called That Nikon Guy!, and owns tons of Nikon Gear. Let's leave it at that and not make such a big deal about AF tracking. That's also one reason you'll never see it being used by professional fast action shooters. A little bit disingenuous perhaps. @ThrillaMozilla Thanks for an interesting conversation. @Lassoni That's an interesting thought! Chris and Jordan from DPReview TV also shot a gallery with the lens, but on Panasonic bodies. We've combed through the options and selected our two favorite cameras in this class. You can order the D850 with Amazon with Adorama or Here at BH Photo . Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-300mm F3.5-6.3G ED VR, Easy wireless connectivity with compatible devices, Connect your camera to other devices via Blueetooth, Take multiple photos shifting focus point, Stacks photos in-camera to maximize depth of field, Remote control your camera with a smartphone, Longer use without changing the shutter mechanism, Reduced uneven color and exposure under flickering light, Help viewing and changing settings easily, Useful for tough lighting conditions and HDR, 7.0 fps continuous shooting (9 fps with optional battery grip. Removing anti-alias filter increases the sharpness and level of detail but at the same time, it increases the chance of moire occurring in certain scenes. Easy to google for their experience. Oh, and it's a lot of fun too. Have a look at our initial sample gallery taken on a full-frame Sony body. No need for a DSLR anymore. They say it took the same AF module of the D5. It has the same name as the one in the D5 so that you think it's performance is on par with a $6000 camera and you'll more easily part with $3000 because it's a bargain. It would not surprise me if the Nikon D5 has it's own dedicated AF processor. However, The higher resolution might affect AF in showing the small inaccuracies that are not visible in the smaller 20mp files when viewed at 100%, making the D850 look worse. The D5 has less than half the pixels per frame, so I would expect its autofocus processing to be quicker and better. For some blackout-free AF or silent AF is a great thing. Now lets look at the top view comparison of Nikon D850 and Nikon D5. I certainly would not use 3-d tracking like in the video, I'd be on 9 or 25pt dynamic. The "flagship" is actually much inferior in some respects, including number of pixels AND read noise. If you're talking about on-sensor phase detection, doesn't that also have some room for errors / require fine tuning? The D850 beating that much more expensive, I am even more sensitive about knowing what I am buying. You constantly aim the camera at the subject. It's the most rounded DSLR ever made. So have the same battery on the d850 as the D5. So maybe save to a smaller file size on the d850 to make it comparable? One can hope and wait. "...with the help of some therapy to finally understand that the $4000 model will NEVER EVER be the equal of the $10000 top of the line flagship model from Nikon.". If someone already has a modern FX camera, and a DX camera for wildlife, the 850 is useless. Because they are good enough for the job. No, Nikon doesn't make that claim. Scores; Specifications; Measurements; Lenses tested; Nikon D850. Aiming to save photographers carrying a cable and a charger for every battery they use, this device handles up to four batteries at the same time and can charge at home, in the car and via a USB power bank. It's good to clarify. Very subjective observations only serve to drive web traffic. The light metering sensor will effectively be blind for longer between shots, and will therefore find it harder to track the subject. When this turns out not to be the case, people ask why. I only believe Steve Perry. For now, the app is in beta and limited to a handful of Samsung Galaxy smartphones, but as development continues, it's safe to assume support for other Android devices is on the way. On the other hand, wouldn't they be accused of pandering to Nikon if they didn't check their core marketing claims? Downscaling will help, but it isn't the same as shooting lower resolution natively. Bar none.". Discussion's over. you obviously haven't been paying attention. We should also note that, in both Granger's testing and our own experience, we haven't yet been able to use Nikon's new battery grip for the D850. Then women in bikinis will probably stop to shock you. Still the D5 will kick the behind of the D850 nice and easily at high ISO action sports and low-light wildlife. Best Mid-Range Full Frame Mirrorless: Canon R6, Sony a7 III, Nikon Z6 II, Panasonic S5. Anyways the camera has been crippled. there is not much D850 stock out there in the stores for people to test. Currently there are 106 lenses with Image stabilization for Nikon F mount. the movement tracking is good. The D5 is the King of low-light and high ISO action sports and action low-light wildlife. Nikon and their reps messaging... they're giving the perception that D850 is equal. That doesn't affect AF speed in the test here. How many D5s were tested? The D810 is less expensive and has a higher effective ISO. The D5 wins easily over the D850 at high ISO, just wait and see for yourself :-DIf you could afford the D5 you wouldn't have to reassure yourself that the D850 is a high ISO camera :-D The D850 is a low ISO camera for still photography and studio work. How to Pre-Order Nikon Z6, Z7, Z Lenses and Accessories. Do you actually own the camera? How about bringing the D500 alongside with the test between D5 and D850 AF performance? It is either they set out to disadvantage the D850 as to not impinge on D5 sales or that it really is just all due to mirror blackout time, or a bit of both. There's really nothing that the D5 can't handle even if it has "only 21MP". No offense to others, but they probably lack the skill to actually use the camera's AF to its potential. @Dante Birchen Funny how people think that these cameras seems to be all equal....LOL Even if professional shooters will use ONLY the flagship models from Nikon and Canon for sports high ISO action. vs. Nikon D850. In many respects, the D850 represents the merger of its predecessor, the D810, and flagship D5 into a single unified body. I guarantee they won't be dumping their Canon investment for a D5. Re candid kid shot: I've seen that expression and hand gesture a lot in Italy - usually accompanied by a grumpy 'smettilo per favore'. Number of available lenses is a big decision factor while choosing your interchangeable lens camera. Given the need for a grip and a heavy D5 battery to get you the full 9fps, the weight savings on the D850 probably isn't going to be significant vs your D3S. vs. Nikon D5. Am I crazy? Let's be honest The D850's track speed is definitely enough And the D850 seems to be a great camera But it should be tested in a very low light in 14-bit and not only 12-bit.Waiting to see your overall test results. Find out where the D850 wins! Funny how people take marginal differences to tell us that this camera kills that one. @tbcass LOL I think there are quite many of photographers working currently with a D5 because it's better in so many ways compared to the slower still photography and landscape camera, the D850. Depending on which system you're in and what your needs are, they might just be the compact, well-priced and impressively sharp little primes you've been looking for. If true, then that's almost certainly the biggest reason for any difference. The D800 series was a big turn-off that Canon made money off of, "the monkey F-ing the football". It is interesting how DPR that considered as serious review brings up Such a stupid test.The processors of the D5 run 21 megapixels As compared to the D850 running 46 megapixels.It can not be, no matter what Nikon says On the same tracking speed, And it also should not have the same tracking speed.So in professional cameras (Like the D5) the sensors are not of these sizes in order to allow tracking speed and the number of imagesSince the D850 sensor is 119% higher than the D5 and Nikon Use the D5 processors and did not develop new processors that can cope the D850 sensor size. You are for sure not talking about photojournalists, professional sport photographers and others who are working fast in low-light action venues. Matt Granger pointed out that both cameras were set to 7fps soooo seems unlikely but I don't see how? If you need speed, the Nikon D5, D500 or Canon 1DX Mk II or 7D Mk II are faster, and if you need more pixels the Canon 5DS and 5DSR have 50MP versus the 45MP of the D850, but if you demand the highest per-pixel technical quality, or the highest quality and resolution of any Nikon camera ever, the D850 is the new King of Nikon.